Chang Qing & Zi Xuan

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Re: Chang Qing & Zi Xuan

Postby Chibi Jennifer » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:35 pm

hahaa, I'm guilty of dong the same thing. Their scenes were the best :}
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Re: Chang Qing & Zi Xuan

Postby Lotushue » Thu May 26, 2011 12:01 pm

Omgosh, the posts in this thread are amazing! I've just finished watching this drama about couple days ago, even though I was aware it was released around 2 years ago. I was hesitant to watch it because the last time I watched CP1, I didn't really like it. So I gave it a try, and WOW, it was amazing! Everything about this drama is good, the soundtrack, the characters, even the humor (even if it's sometimes over-the-top lol), and the plot. I thought I was going to watch it mainly for entertainment because of the eye-candy such as Hu Ge, Wallace, and Yang Mi. I was a bit bored at first because the first couple episodes just really dragged, even though I was beginning to like the interaction between Changqing and Jing Tian (more so than with Jing Tian and XueJian). So I thought I'll just wait it out, and the price was worth it! Once the story picks up, it gets so good I never wanna stop watching.

Here's comes the part that made became a member of this forum. When I first watched this drama, I enjoyed it mainly because of the entertainment, but once the love story between Changqing and Zixuan is revealed, and subsequently unfold, my, I can't tell you how obsessed I became about this couple! They were so dynamic together! I love their romance, and chemistry, and most importantly, their 'undying love' for each other! So I went online and did some searching about them, and I came across this forum! Can't tell you how happy I was to know there are people out there like me who are rooting for them, even if we know the actual ending in the drama.
I noticed Wallace Huo a while back when I first saw him in World's Finest with Michelle Ye. I thought he was really good-looking, but I didn't pay much attention to him until I saw him in CP3. He was fantastic as the 'suave' (as Jing Tian likes to describe him LOL), kind-hearted, but naive priest of Shushan. I never would have thought Wallace could be so good at portraying a serious guy while making jokes with a straight face! LOL! And gosh, when his past was revealed, the subtle changes in his characters are so believable, especially when it comes to his lady love, Zi Xuan. I love how he looked so anguished once he discovered the truth of his past and how much hardship both he and Zi Xuan suffered in his previous lives. As for Tang Yan, I'm aware she's a newcomer, but WOW, she is incredible! I love her portrayal as an innocent 16 year old Zi Xuan to a woman of 200 who is seductive but world-weary and unable to forget the love of her life. Her performance is wonderful, and I hope she gets tons of fans after this, she really deserves it!

But anyway, the discussions in here are just so unbelievably amazing! You guys point out some facts that I've never noticed until I read what you guys had to say, and it really opened my mind to another dimension of the relationship between these two wonderful characters. I noticed this thread has been inactive for quite a while. I hope you guys will come back and do some more discussions! I'll be waiting! :D

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Re: Chang Qing & Zi Xuan

Postby Chibi Jennifer » Thu May 26, 2011 8:26 pm

yaaaay! Another fan of this couple!! It's always delightful! Welcome! ^___^

I've posted your post here: http://undyinglove.chinesepaladin.org/t ... -from-fans

Hope you don't mind! Feel free to add more to it or change anything =D

Your initial thoughts of the drama seem to mirror ours. It's only when Zixuan appears and their story is introduced did my interest in this drama elevate to a whole new level... so glad I kept hanging on! It was their story which made me obsessed with the series (and still am a year later!)

yup...this thread was so much fun! Even though it was mainly between lovelikethis and myself! I always found it a little sad that there doesn't seem to be a lot of us (most root for Hu Ge and Yang Mi), so I get so excited knowing there's more out there! oh, and thanks so much for joining their fanlisting ^___^! Feel free to contribute anything to the site!
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Re: Chang Qing & Zi Xuan

Postby Lotushue » Fri May 27, 2011 11:08 am

Lol I wouldn't know what to contribute since I don't know how to make beautiful banners or avatars, and both the soundtrack and complete version of the drama, you guys already put them up. I guess the only thing I can do is talk, talk, and talk some more about this beautiful couple hehehe.
But thanks for the post in the fanlisting! I appreciate it!
I also noticed it's mainly between you and lovelikethis, but you guys were incredible! I never would have noticed all those little tidbits from the drama if you guys didn't point it out. Also, I never really pay attention to the lyrics of the songs, but you guys brought out the meaning of them. I always liked those songs associated with CQ and ZX because they were good, and fit the mood and their story, but I just never thought beyond that the meaning of the lyrics also apply to their relationship. Lol...
Anyway, I've been surfing around and came upon on some forums. There are actually quite a lot people out there that favor Changqing and ZiXuan, it's just that it was a while ago, when this drama first came out. And I guess because we watched this drama (well, I did) a bit late, so everyone sort of moved on to other topics. But that's ok, I don't mind watching late since I now get to talk about them! :D
As for XueJian and Jing Tian, well, I guess the reason why people like them is because of their cuteness and compatibility, but when I think about it, there's nothing compatible about them at all because they argue too much lol. Many people like these two characters because of their outward appearance, not that Wallace and Tiffany aren't hot themselves, it's just Hu Ge and Yang Mi are the sort of idol stars for young people out there to look and stare at, and also because they are the 'main' couple, which makes the attention automatically focus on them. But if we're gonna talk about screen time, CQ and ZX got as much time on screen as the former couple. So other than their 'cuteness', I don't know what the big deal is about Jing Tian and XueJian. However, if I think about it, I think the only time I like this couple together is when they were XiYao and FeiPang. They were much more likable as two immortals who were soulmates, yet could never be lovers. As JT and XJ, they just plainly get on my nerves. But I admit I favor Jing Tian a bit more, because of his bond with Maomao and Changqing that makes him more mature and understanding, and don't forget his wacko humor, lol.
But ok, enough about JT and XJ. I just wanted to get my point across.
Back to Changqing and Zixuan *sigh* I could spend all day talking about them. Since the moment Zixuan saved Changqing from Chonglou, I knew it was going to get interesting. But now that I wanna talk about them, I don't know where to begin lol...

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Re: Chang Qing & Zi Xuan

Postby Chibi Jennifer » Sun May 29, 2011 9:18 pm

I learned a lot from lovelikethis's posts too! It was pretty insightful and it just gives their relationship even more depth after analyzing it to little bits =D

There are actually quite a lot people out there that favor Changqing and ZiXuan, it's just that it was a while ago, when this drama first came out. And I guess because we watched this drama (well, I did) a bit late, so everyone sort of moved on to other topics.


I watched it a year later than everyone else too and everyone moved onto other dramas :shock: That's quite sad, seeing as the first Chinese Paladin drama's popularity stayed around for much longer. Many who disliked the first series didn't give Chinese Paladin 3 a chance which is a shame.

Many people like these two characters because of their outward appearance, not that Wallace and Tiffany aren't hot themselves, it's just Hu Ge and Yang Mi are the sort of idol stars for young people out there to look and stare at, and also because they are the 'main' couple, which makes the attention automatically focus on them.


Yup, I completely agree with this. I find that a lot of the fans who like Jing Tian/Xue Jian pairing to be in the younger age range too- so maybe the depth and seriousness in Changqing and Zixuan's relationship doesn't appeal to them as much. Not that I mind, since I totally love them and appreciate all the difficulties and choices they had to make...


Back to Changqing and Zixuan *sigh* I could spend all day talking about them. Since the moment Zixuan saved Changqing from Chonglou, I knew it was going to get interesting. But now that I wanna talk about them, I don't know where to begin lol...



haha, I don't know where to go off either XD What did you think of the love triangle?
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Re: Chang Qing & Zi Xuan

Postby Lotushue » Mon May 30, 2011 9:58 am

Well, the love triangle did add a bit of spice and obstacles into their relationship, but I wouldn't say that it got to the point of being angsty. I mean, when Chonglou first appeared on the scene, then subsequently disappearing afterward, I kinda get the impression that he was just a side character (I've never played the game, so I don't know how big his role was in there) and other than trying to beat Feipang as his goal in life, he doesn't seem to have any specific job in propelling the plot forward. But when ZiXuan was told that if she could get Chonglou's heart, she could preserve her beauty, I had a feeling something is going to happen between ZiXuan and Chonglou, seeing how they were kissing based on the opening song.

I think Chonglou played quite a major role in Changqing and ZiXuan's relationship, even if he was just a side character in the overall drama. I remembered the first time ZiXuan 'met' Changqing, he was injured by Chonglou. ZiXuan saved him, and likewise in the later part of the story, ZiXuan was then saved by Changqing. Chonglou's actions helped propelled the events that lead up to where Changqing discovers his memories of her from their past lives together. But I think Chonglou's involvement stops here once the couple is reunited, and we don't hear anything from him until the group goes to the Demon Realm, and we witness ZiXuan's subsequent seduction of Chonglou. Of course, we all know besides fighting, Chonglou is nowhere near ZiXuan's caliber when it comes to seduction, so his heart (literally) was taken by her. The consequences, as we all know, resulted in Changqing's emotional breakdown and he became berserk.

But this is the point where it got me wondering a little. Prior to Changqing's stumbling in their little cozy moment, he was in fact already suffering an emotional breakdown when he discovered the truth why he had to go the Celestial Realm and get rid of the box. It just so happens (and probably fated) that the poor guy saw ZiXuan kissing Chonglou. If his state of mind wasn't in so much chaos at that time, I wonder if Changqing's reaction would be so volatile. At this point, the things I have to say might disagree with you so don't kill me for this, lol. I know that Changqing loves ZiXuan, but I always get the feeling that he loves her not because of his own feelings, but rather the feelings of his previous life. If you remembered the first time he 'met' her at the tavern, her appearance and tattoo triggered something in him that even he doesn't understand. Of course, he has to love her in order to be so affected by her presence, but I also feel that he loves her because there was so many entanglements between them in his previous lives that it makes it difficult for them to forget one another. So, back to my point (hopefully I'm not being too confusing by writing so much lol), if we were to base on Changqing's feelings for ZiXuan, was his jealousy between ZiXuan and Chonglou for jealousy itself, or was it because he was suffering another blow after that one revelation in the Celestial Realm that it made him hostile, and in turn transferring that hostility into absolute rage, something I think most of us would interpret as jealousy. At first, that was what I thought Changqing's reaction was too, until I watched the later parts of the drama that made me think perhaps Changqing isn't as in love with her as much as she is with him, or that we can say Changqing doesn't love her as much compared to how Gu LiuFang and Lin YePing was in love with her.

This point I'm making here might sidetrack a little, bear with me. Remember the part (I think around ep 21) when Changqing was talking about the spirit pearl and how shining and pure and 'attractive' (lol) it is, Jing Tian mistaken him for talking about XueJian and he got really jealous and asking the former how did he knew how shining and pure she was. Also, if you remembered the part where the group had to go the Underwater City to obtain the spirit pearl in order to maintain Qing'er's life, if you remembered the scene where they were all viewing the past experiences of their life and XueJian was seeing how Jing Tian kissed the Fire Demon Queen, and likewise when Jing Tian witnessed XueJian's wedding night with Yun Ting, he was also jealous? Now back to Changqing and ZiXuan, do you remember before the group went into Underwater City, ZiXuan's heart was hurting and she said it was because Chonglou was also hurting because of his feelings for her. Compared to how Jing Tian reacts toward XueJian, no matter how trivial the matter was (i.e., the spirit pearl conversation with CQ, the wedding night with Yun Ting even though they really didn't do anything) Jing Tian seems to be able to exhibit true jealousy better than Changqing, who in my opinion seemed indifferent when his love was actually involved with Chonglou, even if only once. I guess I could always interpret his behavior as being wise and mature, and doesn't easily engage in petty emotions such as jealousy, but since I plan on writing an argument between Liufang/Yeping's love vs. Changqing's love for ZiXuan, the points I'm going to make will probably dash this thought out the window.

So after all the pointless points I made (I hope not! LOL), this is what I meant when I said the love triangle isn’t angsty enough, at least not to my taste when it involves a couple who loved each other with so much passion and angst – at least in their former lives – that their present life together just pale in comparison, when here we have someone who could have been a formidable rival to Changqing, not only in strength but also in love, yet he was too passive because ZiXuan rejected him, and Changqing who was supposed to really love her, seemed calm and polite in face of the fact that there is someone out there on the prowl for ZiXuan’s love.
Hope you get what I’m talking about, it seems the more I read the more I confuse myself haha :wink:

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Re: Chang Qing & Zi Xuan

Postby Chibi Jennifer » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:36 pm

Hi! Sorry for not getting back to you earlier! :) There's a lot of interesting things you've brought up there.

But when ZiXuan was told that if she could get Chonglou's heart, she could preserve her beauty, I had a feeling something is going to happen between ZiXuan and Chonglou, seeing how they were kissing based on the opening song.

I had no idea Zixuan was going to be involved with Chonglou at all, seeing as I didn't really look the that scene specifically in the opening (it was really quick, and I didn't wanna pause it incase I ran into spoilers)

And you're right, the love triangle didn't really get to the angsty point, but I felt that had more to do with Zixuan not having any feelings for Chong Lou, so we didn't think he'd have a chance anyway. (I find the great love triangles are when the feelings are so strong from all parties that the person could end up with either) Also, because Changqing is the main guy, I don't think there would be much supporters for Zixuan/Chonglou (apparently there are many fans from the game though). The story focuses on Zixuan and Changqin'g relationship alone much much more (and I don't mind)


I think Chonglou played quite a major role in Changqing and ZiXuan's relationship, even if he was just a side character in the overall drama. I remembered the first time ZiXuan 'met' Changqing, he was injured by Chonglou. ZiXuan saved him, and likewise in the later part of the story, ZiXuan was then saved by Changqing. Chonglou's actions helped propelled the events that lead up to where Changqing discovers his memories of her from their past lives together.

I was writing a blog post about this very thing actually. The story seemed to have been specifically written to make Chonglou apart of their story and moving it forward (this is entirely different to the game)


The consequences, as we all know, resulted in Changqing's emotional breakdown and he became berserk.


This has been on my mind for quite a long time, and I'm glad you brought this up. I don't really know how I felt about Changinq's response upon seeing them kissing. Part of me feels that Changqing's berserkness had more to do with the Evil Sword Immortal toying with his mind, than his own natural reaction. Just seeing the way Changqing was behaving after opening the box, attacking JingTian, losing all his cool and logical reasoning, it was as if he was bound to just go crazy even if Zixuan WASN'T kissing Chonglou. I just felt so bad for him. That just wasn't the Changqing we knew at all... (Personally, I think the story was just poorly written around the whole scene of Changinqg opening the box, it's really out-of-character) We know he loves his teachers, but to open it regardless of the consequences, to attacking and BLAMING Jingtian, nothing really made sense for me.. but that's another story.

Changqing never really said anything about Chonglou to Zixuan. He never even questioned her about him. After the incident, and he runs off (and when Zixuan finds him torturing himself) he doesn't mention it and it's always Zixuan bringing up the fact she kissed Chonglou and wanted to explain. "I never loved Chonglou" etc. I wondered what was more in his mind, the fact Zixuan 'betrayed' him or that Jingtian kept the box a secret and thus consequently he released the evil sword immortal. Changqing is just really really messed up and confused.

Now back to Changqing and ZiXuan, do you remember before the group went into Underwater City, ZiXuan's heart was hurting and she said it was because Chonglou was also hurting because of his feelings for her.


I somewhat disagree with you here XD You can't really compare Changqing and Zixuan's relationship with Jingtian and Xuejian. They are much more mature and therefore would hide jealously a lot easier than the other two. Although Changqing didn't have much of a reaction (he seems rather neutral about the idea), you have to admit their situation is AWKWARD. Zixuan mentioning the fact Chonglou is hurting because of her, leaves him in a rather uncomfortable position. What was he supposed to do or say? She's being honest about why her heart is hurting, she's not hiding the fact. He also knows the one she loves is him, and you can't stop someone else from loving you.

Therefore, I would argue that it's not that he isn't jealous, but he's approaching it in a mature way. Similar to how he lets & trusts Zixuan be with Chonglou alone (where she consequently returns his heart). Changqing has experienced jealousy before (during his time as Yeping and when he goes berserk) and both times his feelings did more harm than good. Perhaps he has learned from this to approach it in a different way. I dunno, I do wish he showed his more of his concerns of Zixuan (since he is a different person now)

Great post though! looking forward to reading your thoughts :)!
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Re: Chang Qing & Zi Xuan

Postby Lotushue » Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:57 am

This has been on my mind for quite a long time, and I'm glad you brought this up. I don't really know how I felt about Changinq's response upon seeing them kissing. Part of me feels that Changqing's berserkness had more to do with the Evil Sword Immortal toying with his mind, than his own natural reaction. Just seeing the way Changqing was behaving after opening the box, attacking JingTian, losing all his cool and logical reasoning, it was as if he was bound to just go crazy even if Zixuan WASN'T kissing Chonglou. I just felt so bad for him. That just wasn't the Changqing we knew at all... (Personally, I think the story was just poorly written around the whole scene of Changinqg opening the box, it's really out-of-character) We know he loves his teachers, but to open it regardless of the consequences, to attacking and BLAMING Jingtian, nothing really made sense for me.. but that's another story.

Changqing never really said anything about Chonglou to Zixuan. He never even questioned her about him. After the incident, and he runs off (and when Zixuan finds him torturing himself) he doesn't mention it and it's always Zixuan bringing up the fact she kissed Chonglou and wanted to explain. "I never loved Chonglou" etc. I wondered what was more in his mind, the fact Zixuan 'betrayed' him or that Jingtian kept the box a secret and thus consequently he released the evil sword immortal. Changqing is just really really messed up and confused.


Yeah, I had a bit of issue with his character at this point too. I really really liked Changqing (even before ZiXuan showed up) up until the point where he leaves the Celestial Realm in rage after attacking Jing Tian. The way the script made him go through a period of angst and distress just did something to his character that I really dislike. It's like he became a whole different person, but in a way that is unlikable instead of for the better. I know those scenes where he allowed himself to be tortured was a test on his faith and also to overcome his disillusionment with the world, but if I may be honest, those episodes nearly killed my love for him. I really hated the story at that point, because the Changqing that we know and love became someone so volatile and dejected, and as you said, so totally out-of-character that it made me wanna hate him. And yes, Changqing never questioned ZiXuan at all about that incident with Chonglou. I really wondered what he was thinking, I mean was he avoiding about questioning her because it was too painful for him to think about it, or was it unimportant to him?

I somewhat disagree with you here XD You can't really compare Changqing and Zixuan's relationship with Jingtian and Xuejian. They are much more mature and therefore would hide jealously a lot easier than the other two. Although Changqing didn't have much of a reaction (he seems rather neutral about the idea), you have to admit their situation is AWKWARD. Zixuan mentioning the fact Chonglou is hurting because of her, leaves him in a rather uncomfortable position. What was he supposed to do or say? She's being honest about why her heart is hurting, she's not hiding the fact. He also knows the one she loves is him, and you can't stop someone else from loving you.

Therefore, I would argue that it's not that he isn't jealous, but he's approaching it in a mature way. Similar to how he lets & trusts Zixuan be with Chonglou alone (where she consequently returns his heart). Changqing has experienced jealousy before (during his time as Yeping and when he goes berserk) and both times his feelings did more harm than good. Perhaps he has learned from this to approach it in a different way. I dunno, I do wish he showed his more of his concerns of Zixuan (since he is a different person now)


Yeah, lol, this is why I said maybe I should have interpreted his behavior as mature from my previous post. The reason I decided not to (not that I'm saying Changqing isn't mature) was because as you also brought up, Yeping was capable of exhibiting true jealousy, yet Changqing just seems...lacking to me. When he witnessed ZiXuan kissing, I always saw his rage as more like pure anger instead of jealousy because of what happened in the Celestial Realm, which made his mind a bit chaotic...but since you brought up Yeping, I wanna talk about him a bit too. See, the character of Liufang, Yeping, and Changqing all share similar qualities; their humbleness, kindness, and wiseness, etc. But I think this is where the threads thin out a bit. Liufang approached his love for ZiXuan wholeheartedly (if you recall those scenes of CQ as Liufang, no matter what he does, ZiXuan was always in his mind, and just as equally, ZiXuan returned that devotion, as we saw how she taught herself to read Chinese, so that she could know how to write his name and letters for him). As Yeping/Changqing, he also loves her very much, but here is where I start comparing all three of their love for ZiXuan. In his first life, Liufang couldn't approach ZiXuan and tell her about his feelings, since after all, he's about to become a priest, but once ZiXuan confessed her feelings for him, you can see how devoted he is to her, even to the point - if you remembered - of telling his master that he no longer wants to be a priest because he wants to be with her forever. But in the end, their love ended tragically. Next, Yeping's encounter with ZiXuan left an impression on him, and similar to Changqing, her presence stirred something in his memory/heart that made it impossible for him to forget about her. As Yeping, I never felt that he tried to question his feelings for ZiXuan. Yes, he tried to deny himself and his heart by praying, but we all know his mind was elsewhere, and in the end, he gave up struggling and accepts his love for her. I think somewhere inside of him, he always resented her for being able to stir feelings in him since before she appeared, he was always devoted and immersed in Taoism. But because of his strong feelings for her, I don't think he ever truly questioned why he loves her, he just accepts it (even this was shown clearly on their wedding night - he confessed he doesn't really understand matters of the heart, yet we can see how much he loves her and accepting, that he was willing to abandon Taoism and marry her). This is why I compare Liufang to Yeping - I'll get to Changqing's part later - because as Liufang, he knows his own feelings, there's no past love or memories messing with his mind, whereas as Yeping, he loves ZiXuan not because of his own feelings, but rather in my opinion, because of the love that Liufang holds for her. This is why of all the characters Wallace portrayed, I love Liufang the most, because during this lifetime, I think his and ZiXuan's love was the most purest, enduring and lasting in its form.

Changqing, similar to Yeping, was also affected by ZiXuan after his 'first' encounter with her, but while Yeping seems to be out of his mind because of his feelings for her, Changqing in my opinion seems to have no problem at all resisting temptation (you might recall the scene where he was practicing kungfu, and when Zixuan's handkerchief flew out, he decidedly cut it half, something I associate with as an end to his infatuation for her). Liufang, Yeping, Changqing, as I previously said, all possess admirable qualities, which was humbleness, wiseness and maturity. These threads of similarities are what hold the connection of each of CQ's incarnation together, but as an individual I don't think their personalities would be too far off. See you said, Changqing was approaching the matters of Chonglou and ZiXuan maturely, but as Yeping, you also agreed he was able to show jealousy. Both Changqing and Yeping are mature, and I think Yeping more so than Changqing because he used to be Taoist priest master after all, yet Yeping was overcome with pure jealousy when ZiXuan asked him to buy the mask for her and when he also recalled ZiXuan calling out "another man's" name on their wedding night. If they are both mature characters, why is it to me that Yeping can easily show his true emotions much more better than Changqing? Something as trivial as a mask can cause him to become so emotional, going as far as affecting their relationship, when we also know how calm and serene priests (ex-priest in this case) are supposed to be, yet in the face of that one incident with Chonglou, Changqing never questioned anything further, aside from his initial reaction to the scene. Liufang, on the other hand, because he died too early and prematurely, we'd never know if he was capable of expressing jealousy, but seeing how much in love he was with ZiXuan, I believe he would be no less enraged compared to Yeping. I don't know, perhaps it's as you said, that Changqing was approaching the matter differently since his previous experience with jealousy caused things to turn out badly. But to me, Changqing, like Yeping, loves her not because of his own individual feelings, but all because of the presence of Gu Liufang deep inside of him, and the everlasting love that he still has for her. Unlike Yeping, he doesn't question it because he knows the truth why he has love for her - all due to Liufang and Yeping, while the former was ignorant of his real identity and just accepts his love as it is. Though Changqing initially rejected ZiXuan, then later came to terms with his feelings, I've always felt he couldn't forget her because of the things they shared and happened in their previous lives, not because of his own feelings. I guess somewhere in there, he does love her on his own, but if he never discovered his memories of her and their past lives together, would she have been so significant to him? Based on that one "handkerchief-slicing" scene, I'd say he'd have no problems forgetting her. This is why in comparison to Yeping and Changqing, Yeping still holds more love from me, because despite the fact he loves ZiXuan not for himself, but for Liufang, I still think she occupied a bigger place in his heart/mind than Changqing, who in my opinion worries too much about other stuff, and not ZiXuan, but I guess that can't be blamed since he's trying to save the world...

But back on tangent, Changqing to me is significantly different from his previous lives. And I think this is meant, and also fated, to be, because we (well, I) can see how much more strong-willed he is when it comes to ZiXuan. It seems he doesn't allow his heart to wholly indulge in love like Liufang and Yeping. He's never aloof to her, but I always kinda felt he was neutral towards her, never hating, but not completely loving either. Thus it's why I said it's probably meant to be, because in his past two lives, their love ended tragically and in his third one, he's meant to be more stronger in the face of love. I also think this is one of the reason why he always comes back as a priest, because even though he's fated to meet and love ZiXuan, I think his true destiny was to become an immortal, therefore he has to overcome all those tribulations of love in order to attain enlightenment and stop reincarnating as a priest.
To conclude my personal thoughts on this, I wouldn't say Changqing never loved her just because he doesn't easily express jealousy, but it's just my personal opinion that if ZiXuan was the woman that most mattered to him, no matter how calm or collected he is (like Yeping) he would be jealous (and I guess he was, but I just don't see it that way...) when someone was trying to snatch his girl. I don't know, maybe unlike Yeping, he's just more understanding and tolerating..??

But yeah, I'm looking forward to your posts too. It's really fun analyzing all these stuff, its just sometimes it's really difficult for me to put it into words with all these thoughts jumping in my head. If what I wrote doesn't make sense, do forgive me lol

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Re: Chang Qing & Zi Xuan

Postby Chibi Jennifer » Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:36 am

Wow, you must've been kidding when you said you didn't know how to put thoughts into words! Some really good stuff you've written! You're getting me all excited again. (Damn, that is sooo going onto the site XDDDD If you don't mind, that is..hehee)


Yeah, I had a bit of issue with his character at this point too. I really really liked Changqing (even before ZiXuan showed up) up until the point where he leaves the Celestial Realm in rage after attacking Jing Tian. The way the script made him go through a period of angst and distress just did something to his character that I really dislike. It's like he became a whole different person, but in a way that is unlikable instead of for the better. I know those scenes where he allowed himself to be tortured was a test on his faith and also to overcome his disillusionment with the world, but if I may be honest, those episodes nearly killed my love for him. I really hated the story at that point, because the Changqing that we know and love became someone so volatile and dejected, and as you said, so totally out-of-character that it made me wanna hate him.


Exactly how I felt. Changqing was my favourite character and if it wasn't because of those scenes it would have been perfect :( Buutt.. I kept hoping and hoping that he'll go back to his own ways, my heart was so torn, it was so unbearable to watch >_< I couldn't really understand his behavior, and I still think the only logical explanation is that he was affected (maybe mind-controlled) by Evil Sword Immortal, who evoked all these negative thoughts from him. You can see from his eyes he was not himself, and all the red 'fury' energy that engulfed him was taking him over. However, as you watch on, there's really no evidence that Evil Sword Immortal have mind-controlling abilities as people have to willingly become his slave. He can though, eject visions and negative thoughts like when he was demonstrating to Changqing that everyone is born with evil. It's probably a little biased because I really do love his character and I'm trying to come with excuses to defend his actions.

When Changqing becomes a little more 'calm' (ok..not really..) and is sitting down drinking his sorrows away, he sees Zixuan and Changqing kissing again (in the reflection of the puddle) This makes me think he was thinking about Zixuan and not about how he released Evil Sword Immortal. But instead of just hurt, he is raging. He just felt bitter about everything which is understandable (since, it really did look like Zixuan was cheating on him, and it wasn't just a little kiss, they were all over each other o_o) - but he still felt logical enough when facing Evil Sword Immortal shortly after. He seems to know he was wrong for letting him out, and then embarks on his quest to 'get rid of evil' to redeem himself (which, mind you I thought was pretty..silly)

I really hated how quickly he rejected her, not allowing her to explain and calling her "Miss Zixuan". During the whole time he was torturing himself, and casting spells to keep Zixuan away from him, I couldn't really decide if he was doing this all just to 'get rid of evil' or if in a way, he wanted Zixuan to feel guilty for what she has caused him to become (by making her stand by and watch him in pain helplessly without anything she can do). My feelings were pretty mixed at this stage, because there are so many factors that caused Changqing to be this way yet it's hard to keep track which one it is that affects him at any certain time. I still keep wondering how different it would have been if Changqing went berserk, but Zixuan wasn't kissing Chonglou..would she have been able to bring him back? :( I can't really see that happening... we don't know who he was angry and hateful towards. Surely all the anger wasn't just towards Jingtian for keeping it a secret? It was under his teacher's orders, it was what they wanted.

I wish Changqing expressed more about his feelings to Zixuan, especially when they were both chained up and being burnt. It was their last chance to really explain everything, but it end up being a little anti-climatic, with Zixuan saying she kissed Chonglou to steal his heart, and Changqing gives off a little laugh- almost like he found the whole situation to be silly. I dunno if it's because nothing mattered at that point (since they were going to die) or if Changqing felt like her reasoning for doing so is petty. Either way, I would have expected him to feel guilty and terrible for accusing her and not trusting her (much like when he got his memories of her again)- instead he shook it off quite easily. However, I could then argue Changqing has never really been the expressive type of guy..not when it comes to his feelings anyway.

But, onto something else... XD

This is why of all the characters Wallace portrayed, I love Liufang the most, because during this lifetime, I think his and ZiXuan's love was the most purest, enduring and lasting in its form.


Yep, I totally agree with what you had to say about Liufang/Yeping and their love for Zixuan. Though for me, I always saw them as the same person with the same soul (just in a different time) Unlike Jingtian, where he was told about his days as Feipeng and Longyang, Changqing regained his memory which belonged to him. Changqing is Liufang and Yeping which is why even if he didn't know it at the time, he still loved Zixuan dearly.

However, there is a clear difference in the way Changqing and Yeping reacted to her reappearing in his life. Yeping was unaffected by any sort of magic. It was because his love for her was so intense as Liufang, that his feelings channeled through to Yeping, which is quite incredible, really. Yeping is a highly ranked priest so you'd think he'd have way less temptation when seeing Zixuan. But he fell for her, easily and hard. He didn't question why he did, he just did. He followed his heart...

Changqing, similar to Yeping, was also affected by ZiXuan after his 'first' encounter with her, but while Yeping seems to be out of his mind because of his feelings for her, Changqing in my opinion seems to have no problem at all resisting temptation (you might recall the scene where he was practicing kungfu, and when Zixuan's handkerchief flew out, he decidedly cut it half, something I associate with as an end to his infatuation for her).


Then we get to the third lifetime, when Changqing's memory was actually sealed. That's pretty strong magic right there if they need the 5 elders altogether to cast it, lol. You mention the part where Changqing slices the purple hanky without much hesitation, but that's because he was still the naive priest whose life was totally devoted to Taoism. His memory was still tightly sealed at this point. If nothing else, him doing so showed how much he was tempted by Zixuan because it reminded him of her, and these thoughts disturbed him so much he thought it was necessary to destroy an object. Why did he pick it up in the first place? There must have been a reason he took it and even put it close to his face just to smell it (more like her fragrance). That action alone showed his was perhaps a little curious, and that her presence made his feelings unsettled.


. See you said, Changqing was approaching the matters of Chonglou and ZiXuan maturely, but as Yeping, you also agreed he was able to show jealousy. Both Changqing and Yeping are mature, and I think Yeping more so than Changqing because he used to be Taoist priest master after all, yet Yeping was overcome with pure jealousy when ZiXuan asked him to buy the mask for her and when he also recalled ZiXuan calling out "another man's" name on their wedding night. If they are both mature characters, why is it to me that Yeping can easily show his true emotions much more better than Changqing? Something as trivial as a mask can cause him to become so emotional, going as far as affecting their relationship, when we also know how calm and serene priests (ex-priest in this case) are supposed to be, yet in the face of that one incident with Chonglou, Changqing never questioned anything further, aside from his initial reaction to the scene.


There's also other considerations you have to take into account. Yeping just gave up everything to be with this woman- everything he worked for in his life, his devotion to Taoism, his students, his status, his beliefs.. only to be faced with what he thought was a lie. This lady he loved and trusted is calling out the name of another man "Liufang..wait for me".. It's hard to think Yeping wouldn't just fall into a raging state when Zixuan asks him to buy her a mask.It wasn't just the mask, it was because of what she said "I love a guy who gives me mask" (or something like that). That's pretty...su..picious. XDDD Although he was a ex master Taoism priest, he threw everything out the window once love and emotions came into play. When it comes to Taoism, I think constraining your thoughts, emotions through meditating etc is what keeps them so calm and collected most of the time. Yeping is no longer a priest. If he doesn't strongly believe in the religion anymore, he becomes a normal person with thoughts of hate and anger. He becomes more human.

On the other hand, I don't think Changqing truly gave up Taoism at all- which is why even at the end he was able to become to Shusan sect leader, who we can assume eventually becomes an immortal. I find those are the main differences affecting the way Yeping behaved and Changqing, who is still very much reserved and proper.

Phew..I've written a lot. Hope they made sense! XDD
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Re: Chang Qing & Zi Xuan

Postby Lotushue » Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:55 pm

When Changqing becomes a little more 'calm' (ok..not really..) and is sitting down drinking his sorrows away, he sees Zixuan and Changqing kissing again (in the reflection of the puddle) This makes me think he was thinking about Zixuan and not about how he released Evil Sword Immortal. But instead of just hurt, he is raging. He just felt bitter about everything which is understandable (since, it really did look like Zixuan was cheating on him, and it wasn't just a little kiss, they were all over each other o_o) - but he still felt logical enough when facing Evil Sword Immortal shortly after. He seems to know he was wrong for letting him out, and then embarks on his quest to 'get rid of evil' to redeem himself (which, mind you I thought was pretty..silly)

I wish Changqing expressed more about his feelings to Zixuan, especially when they were both chained up and being burnt. It was their last chance to really explain everything, but it end up being a little anti-climatic, with Zixuan saying she kissed Chonglou to steal his heart, and Changqing gives off a little laugh- almost like he found the whole situation to be silly. I dunno if it's because nothing mattered at that point (since they were going to die) or if Changqing felt like her reasoning for doing so is petty. Either way, I would have expected him to feel guilty and terrible for accusing her and not trusting her (much like when he got his memories of her again)- instead he shook it off quite easily. However, I could then argue Changqing has never really been the expressive type of guy..not when it comes to his feelings anyway.


LOL it was funny when you said 'they were all over each other'! It's strange, I was always aware that the kiss between Chonglou and ZiXuan was quite overly passionate, but I never thought of them as being actually 'all over each other' until you mentioned it! hehehe
But yes, I was quite disappointed also when Changqing's reaction to ZiXuan's confession about kissing Chonglou seemed anti-climatic. I actually hoped he would be really remorseful (which I believed he was) and cried (which I also think he did lol) and apologizes to her for being a fool (he did this too, didn't he?), and the whole scene would be really dramatic, but it just seems his reaction was not what I expected. I wouldn't say he was being cavalier about the whole thing, its just he seems...calm, and perhaps a bit indifferent, to everything ZiXuan did just to be with him. But I think I kinda understand what that little laugh you said meant. To me, it sounded like a bitter laugh, not for himself, but for the whole situation and the fact he wronged ZiXuan. I don't know, Changqing just seems so disheartened and dejected during those episodes that it was killing me. I couldn't think of anything accept for him to hurry go back to his old self. But yes, I think you're right, Changqing isn't the type of person who could easily express what he feels. Maybe he just felt so guilty and choked up in emotions that he finds it difficult to do anything else but uttered a last laugh before they're being burned.

Yep, I totally agree with what you had to say about Liufang/Yeping and their love for Zixuan. Though for me, I always saw them as the same person with the same soul (just in a different time) Unlike Jingtian, where he was told about his days as Feipeng and Longyang, Changqing regained his memory which belonged to him. Changqing is Liufang and Yeping which is why even if he didn't know it at the time, he still loved Zixuan dearly.

However, there is a clear difference in the way Changqing and Yeping reacted to her reappearing in his life. Yeping was unaffected by any sort of magic. It was because his love for her was so intense as Liufang, that his feelings channeled through to Yeping, which is quite incredible, really. Yeping is a highly ranked priest so you'd think he'd have way less temptation when seeing Zixuan. But he fell for her, easily and hard. He didn't question why he did, he just did. He followed his heart...


Well, my perspective is a bit different from yours based on the Liufang/Yeping/Changqing connections and their love for ZiXuan. To me, Gu Liufang IS Lin Yeping and Xu Changqing. However, I wouldn't say Yeping/Changqing is Liufang. From how I see this, there's always a bit of distinction for me. The reason why I said Liufang is Yeping/Changqing because Liufang had to exist in order for Yeping and Changqing to also exist. His death resulted in Yeping and Changqing, and his love is what also characterizes these two guy's existence. I always see Liufang as a standalone compared to his later two reincarnations, mainly because of my stubborn insistence in the fact that Liufang loves ZiXuan all on his own. As I mentioned in the previous post, he doesn't have, nor does he need, any past memories or love to awaken his feelings for ZiXuan. He loves her, loves her with his own thoughts and feelings, not feelings of love that he received from who he was a lifetime ago...
Lin Yeping and Xu Changqing, in my opinion, is NOT Gu Liufang. Yes, all three might be of the same soul, but their love for ZiXuan was very much influenced by Liufang alone. Each of Liufang's reincarnation experienced things that made them different apart from him. Even Liufang's love for ZiXuan as Yeping and Changqing was no longer whole. I'd never say Liufang's love was perfect, but to me, it became flawed in an indescribable way during Yeping/Changqing's lifetime because it was no longer himself that loves ZiXuan, but his different reincarnations. I think besides the love Liufang has for ZiXuan, there was nothing about him that was alive in Yeping and Changqing. The similar qualities (i.e. maturity, wisdom) they shared, was happenstance; all three lives, Liufang/Yeping/Changqing were all priests. They cultivated themselves and immersed in Taoism, so it's not difficult to guess how they attain all that wisdom and maturity. That's the reason why I refused to think Yeping/Changqing is Liufang, because in my perspective, they are all different people, with the only common theme: their love for ZiXuan. But like I said, aside from Liufang, their love for her was flawed - not flawed physically or emotionally (although a bit of that..), but in a way that I can't really describe with words (hope you get what I'm saying). Actually, if I remembered correctly, even ZiXuan admitted that she can no longer deluded herself into thinking Changqing is Liufang/Yeping simply because they all have the same appearance. All along, she was chasing after Yeping and Changqing because they were Liufang's reincarnations. In my opinion, her love actually runs parallel to the time Liufang reincarnates as Yeping and Changqing. His love for her flows within Yeping/Changqing, so ZiXuan is actually chasing after that love he has for her. Sometimes I think ZiXuan doesn't actually love Yeping/Changqing as who they are, but rather what they represent: Liufang's reincarnations. Her love for Liufang was so intense, and she was so anguished when she survived the fall, whereas Liufang died, that I think she was sort of haunted and traumatized and couldn't forget about him, and I think over time, she allowed herself to be convinced that as long as she can be with Liufang, even in his different incarnations, it would still be ok, but I believe she never got over Liufang, even when she was with Yeping/Changqing. Perhaps this could be a plausible reason for the 'flawed love' I previously said; their love wasn't for each other individually, but rather overshadowed/influenced by past memories and feelings: Yeping/Changqing's love for ZiXuan stemmed from Liufang, and ZiXuan chasing after/loving Yeping/Changqing because of Liufang.


On the other hand, I don't think Changqing truly gave up Taoism at all- which is why even at the end he was able to become to Shusan sect leader, who we can assume eventually becomes an immortal. I find those are the main differences affecting the way Yeping behaved and Changqing, who is still very much reserved and proper.


Thanks for pointing that out. I've actually been thinking about that too. Yeping's encounter with ZiXuan left a lasting impression in his mind, and even without the aid of magic or memories, he still fell in love with her. Changqing on the other hand, needed his memories unsealed in order to recall everything about ZiXuan, and thus continue loving her. Yeping didn't need that, and having to choose between ZiXuan and Taoism, he willingly gave up Taoism just to be with her. But Changqing, like you said, didn't really gave up Taoism, and I agree with that. There's something distinctly different about his approach toward Taoism compared to Yeping. When Yeping gave up Taoism, his mind/heart was solely focused on ZiXuan, while Changqing always seems to be hanging on the threshold to me, but I get the feeling he was leaning towards his faith more than ZiXuan, although I will concede he was also unwilling to give her up (a redeeming point in my eyes) as we saw in the end. But as I said, its probably fated that he's able to overcome the trials of love and attain enlightenment, thus becoming an immortal (although I think this only happened because ZiXuan learned and convince him to let go - had she refused to, I think Changqing wouldn't be able to become Shushan leader either...)

Lol thanks for those little tips you pointed out. There are times when I wrote these that I don't actually remember every little details and take them into consideration, so it makes my argument sounds a bit empty and disjointed. Every time I reply to these posts, I always tried to remember the little tidbits of information so that I could use them in my arguments, although it doesn't always come out coherent hehehe. But no, I wouldn't mind if you wanted to post these on the sites, I'd be happy if it could be of use for any contribution :wink:

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Re: Chang Qing & Zi Xuan

Postby Chibi Jennifer » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:26 pm

Hey Lotushue! Just letting you know I've read your post (a few times now actually XD) and I'm still thinking of how to respond, lol. I just need some time to reply...xD
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Postby Lotushue » Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:37 pm

Chibi Jennifer wrote:Hey Lotushue! Just letting you know I've read your post (a few times now actually XD) and I'm still thinking of how to respond, lol. I just need some time to reply...xD


Lol take your time. But just to let you know, what I wrote was merely my own thoughts, I'm not trying to contradict anything you said. Please don't feel you have to reply to anything I wrote, as I said, it's just my own interpretations of their relationship. :wink:

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Postby Chibi Jennifer » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:56 pm

Yep, I understand! It was written really well, so it's difficult to really add or take away anything from it~ though our views do slightly differ.
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Re: Chang Qing & Zi Xuan

Postby Fairytale_Angel » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:10 pm

I dont know if this has been asked or answer before but I'm watching the drama now and I'm a bit a confused. In episode 19 Zi Xuan handed a baby to the leader of the Taoist sect, which grew up to be Chang Qing, may I asked where did the baby come from if Zi Xuan had a girl and how did she knows it would be Gu Liufang and Lin Yeping reincarnation?

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Postby Chibi Jennifer » Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:29 pm

Fairytale_Angel wrote:I dont know if this has been asked or answer before but I'm watching the drama now and I'm a bit a confused. In episode 19 Zi Xuan handed a baby to the leader of the Taoist sect, which grew up to be Chang Qing, may I asked where did the baby come from if Zi Xuan had a girl and how did she knows it would be Gu Liufang and Lin Yeping reincarnation?


Hi Fairytale_Angel :) The baby Zixuan was holding is Changqing, not her own child. They don't really explain how she got hold of him (or how he was reincarnated), we just have to kinda assume ^^;
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